Some time ago, The Nexus presented the charter and other items relating to the now defunct online gaming group Knights of the Galaxy or KOG that for a time held sway in TDZK and was poised for a while to make inroads into Space Merchant Realms and perhaps some other games.
Here is the March 27th, 2003 Lonesome Bar Conversation where the founding concepts of the KOG were discussed:
Session Start: Thu Mar 27 03:38:38 2003
Session Ident: #the_lonesome_bar
[03:38] * Now talking in #the_lonesome_bar
[03:38] Is Chaortis coming?
[03:39] just sent the link… had a burp on my
connection that dropped irc
[03:39] * Chaortis has joined #the_lonesome_bar
[03:39] ok, cool… the gang’s all here
[03:39] ok, so what are we looking at so far?
[03:40] this is a little lonesome don’t you
[03:40] A blank page mostly Sgili
[03:40] alright, now… I mean with the new
[03:40] Hi Crector
[03:40] well it needs to be maturity based
as I think we all agree on that
[03:41] definitely… but how do we go about
setting that up?
[03:41] based around what HF is supposed to
be based on
[03:41] I believe IRC screenings are
[03:41] true… so we can use the base idea of
the HF charter, and fish around for new recruits
[03:42] they will help us to accertain what
kind of ppl we are looking at
[03:42] yes… you can really tell maturity
level by how many fish you get hit with.
[03:42] uh…….yeah fish uhm I just
slapped hype with one in the main room
[03:42] lol… see what I mean?
[03:42] he he
[03:43] ok, so maturity is important, as well
as willingness to play, imo
[03:43] so what does Chuck have to say,
that for one has gotten my curriosity up
[03:43] I’d like his input to
[03:43] we can’t have slackers who just join
and fart around.
[03:43] well… what do you say, crector?
[03:43] I believe activity is one of the
main concerns we have as well
[03:44] I’d say do away with recruitment
periods, but stress maturity and strict adherence to
the rules and honorable behavior
[03:44] I agree with that
[03:44] ok… but how do we ascertain maturity
without at least a short recruitment?
[03:44] HYp went through a recruitment
[03:44] no cheating no multiplaying no
[03:44] maybe just an irc chat to “get to know
[03:44] yup… the three big rules
[03:45] Well, we try to stress it to them.
[03:45] true… especially when leading by
[03:45] I believe that if you talk to
someone long enough online you do kinda get to know
[03:45] Chaortis: Have you heard about Hyp
attacking/destroying my planet?
[03:45] VERY true…
[03:45] yes I did hear about that
[03:46] yes that/s true
[03:46] Yeah… I do NOT agree with that.
[03:46] traitors should be expunged from the
[03:46] unfortunatly I did hand over
contorl of HFr to him
[03:46] amen on the traitor thing
[03:46] Were you told to?
[03:47] that is told to giver Hyp the clan
[03:47] not really but I felt he knew more
about the game then others in the clan
[03:47] at the time
[03:47] since then he has been using us to
build up the planet, while he attacks everything in
[03:48] and I was just told to set the
thing up not lead it
[03:48] anyway… back on the subject… how
should we deal with people like that?
[03:48] * Retrieving #the_lonesome_bar info…
[03:49] We try to work with them first. If
they don’t shape up, we kick them out,
[03:49] traitors I feel should be expunged
and the reasoning for that is if they will do it once
they will do it again
[03:49] I mean, personally, I would eject them
and put them on the hit list
[03:49] ok…I thught that you meant
[03:49] although I am in favor of a “three
[03:49] zero tolerance for traitors
[03:49] aside from traitors, of course…
[03:50] non-team players can be taught, if
not they do without bennies for a while and that
should put them back in line
[03:50] you had mentioned having some web
space for a forum, chaortis?
[03:50] we could also do an easyboard forum…
[03:50] yeah I have a bit of space free
[03:50] 10 different spaces I should say
[03:51] I think we should start as a tdzk-only
clan, then add other games as we move forward.
[03:51] that would probably be the way to
do it start small then expand
[03:51] that would allow us to start small,
and work our way up.
[03:51] ok who is ghent12?
[03:51] eventually we could challenge HF on
[03:51] he’s the space-holder for this room
[03:51] oh ok
[03:52] Only add another game when we have
25+ members or somethig
[03:52] good idea
[03:52] Ghent12 is a wild and crazy guy
[03:52] yes… enough to fill an alliance in
[03:52] lol… what makes you say that?
[03:52] I was in ITC with him last round
[03:52] ah, ok
[03:52] when we fill one in tdzk I think we
should branch another as well
[03:52] so he is here… lol
[03:53] He’s posted more to the TDZK Forum
than just about anyone else
[03:53] true… start with one, fill it up,
and then move forward from there.
[03:53] he he
[03:53] I could work up a kind of “rules
charter” for the clan, if you want, crector…
[03:53] I mean we do need to give ourselves
room for growth
[03:54] send me a copy of that Sgili
[03:54] That they would have to agree to
first. such as no cheating
[03:54] * Ghent12 has quit IRC (Quit: I know TD’s
dirty little secret…)
[03:54] ok… I’ll start working on it
tomorrow… I have tomorrow off.
[03:54] no cheating being the biggest rule…
well, that and no traitors.
[03:54] I have to work tomorrow afternoon
[03:55] ok… I’ll forward a draft of that to
both of you once I get it finished.
[03:55] Also I believe that to officialy be
an alliance or clan don’t you need a name?
[03:55] well, of course… any ideas?
[03:55] We should also decide if it s to be
a good or bad oriented clan
[03:55] true… although we could do both…
[03:56] mature yet violent?
[03:56] that is oriented towards piracy or
[03:56] just stick to either or for each game.
[03:56] I favor piracy myself… hehe
[03:56] honorable, but we will still stab
you in the back
[03:56] Also, what kind of games to play?
[03:56] honor among thieves
[03:56] HF was in mainly space games.
[03:56] BBGs for one I also am going to be
on eve when it comes out
[03:57] well, I’m in favor of as many games as
[03:57] fantasy is good to
[03:57] not just space, but medieval as well
[03:57] how bout modern stuff
[03:57] of course, most of the bbgs out there
[03:57] modern is good, too.
[03:57] what about Gmuds
[03:58] I could also set up a MUD, if we can
get server space for that.
[03:58] Two towers you know stuff like that
[03:58] now that would be cool’
[03:58] I don’t kknow much about MUD’s
[03:58] It’s been a while, but I did a
fantasy-based mud on a bbs back in ’92
[03:58] but I’d like to know what
allignment do you think chuck?
[03:58] They are pretty self-sufficient, if
set up correctly.
[03:58] pre-web, the games I played were
like Trade Wars 2002
[03:59] TW 2002 is still around
[03:59] and bnt is based on trade wars
[03:59] Damn crector you remember pre web
[03:59] too buggy right now, though.
[03:59] God you must be old
[03:59] so do I, chaortis…
[04:00] I dfon’t meet many other ppl that
remember the bbs days
[04:00] I used to play L.O.R.D
[04:00] If a member knew any game
programming, then we could rework BNT
[04:00] I’m 38
[04:00] I was on the Highlander mud
[04:00] well I’m almost to my 30’s
[04:00] I’m studying php right now, but I
don’t know it well enough… yet.
[04:01] I think I might just start studying
[04:01] need more knowledge
[04:01] there’s an excellent lotr mud out
there… i’ll have to find it again.
[04:01] more input please
[04:01] that’d be kick man lotr
[04:01] I still say start with tdzk and branch
out from there.
[04:01] oh it’s called 2 towers I have that
[04:02] nope… think older
[04:02] older than towers
[04:02] that one has been up since b4 web
[04:02] That’s my idea….TDZK first
[04:02] tdzk first myself
[04:02] I think SE 2nd
[04:03] yeah… se 2nd
[04:03] SE’s very hard to recruit in
[04:03] still… do we go piracy/raiding or
[04:03] Games with players online lists and
id’d if they are in a clan are the ones we should
[04:03] we could always drag prople over from
tdzk for se…
[04:03] but if we get our guys from tdzk
[04:04] I was in a good guy alliance in SM
NG #8 called Law & Order….that was lots of fun
fighting the forces of evil
[04:04] ITC last round was a lot like that
[04:04] that could be cool…
[04:04] SE is a little more complicated but
it’s still fun
[04:04] I could go for a “good guys” alliance
[04:04] I think raiding but we will need to
get a planet quick
[04:05] I’d prefer also to avoid games that
HF is in as much as possible
[04:05] or good gutys
[04:05] Also, if we are interested in running
our own games… check out www.sourceforge.net
[04:05] except TDZK
[04:05] keep the conflict to a minium there
[04:05] hey wow that is a cool sight must
look more into it
[04:06] so we go good guy’s then
[04:06] yes… they’ve got a TON of
open-source games and stuff.
[04:06] yup… good guys.
[04:06] I saw that
[04:06] Websites are mainly for advertising
[04:06] I’ve got 30-40 links in my yahoo inbox
with open-source stuff on them
[04:07] true… and we can get a website
[04:07] I got website just tell me what to
name it and I’ll get working on it
[04:07] “Guardians of the Void”?
[04:07] oh yeah frames or no frames
[04:07] sry… meant that for the alliance
[04:07] frames… got to have that navigation
[04:08] hmm has a ring to it
[04:08] howbout Iframes
[04:08] Back in the 1950’s there was a comic
book group called the Galaxy Knights
[04:08] That could work, too.
[04:09] frames? I don’t know much about
webmastering and stuff
[04:09] well that would fit our space
[04:09] you click in one frame it comes up
in the other
[04:09] we could always change the name a
little for medeival games.
[04:09] or something like Knights of
Honor….stress the good guy part and honesty too
[04:10] or the Untouchables from the TV show
[04:10] true… we definitely want to stress
[04:10] Galaxy Knights of Valour
[04:10] sweet… I like it
[04:10] problems is that we’d want the same
name in every game
[04:10] hmm. has a ring
[04:10] yes it does
[04:11] or “Frontier Knights”
[04:11] could have somewhat different names
in the games
[04:11] paladin realms
[04:11] Paladin Realms
[04:11] Shanghai Knights…
[04:11] that sounds a lot like a clan that
I’ve heard of
[04:11] sorry Sgili that was a movie
[04:11] a movie too… lol
[04:11] good movie
[04:12] haven’t seen it yet
[04:12] we’d want a really unique
name…..that’s how House Forsaken was
[04:12] well worth it
[04:12] yes… unique is good…
[04:12] Knights of the Portals
[04:12] how about we brainstorm on our own for
that, then email each other with suggestions?
[04:13] That way we’ll have a lot of choices.
[04:13] uhm. I’m now on a fishing
[04:13] well I’ll set up a framework for
the pages and we can fill it in later
[04:13] sounds like a good idea
[04:14] works for me
[04:14] once we get that under control
things will work a little better
[04:14] About how likely is it that Dwelgar
will join us down the road?
[04:14] btw… here’s a good site about online
[04:14] If I do he probably will so we are
pretty sure he will
[04:15] ok, so that’s four trusted members,
[04:15] I can probably bring my guys from work
on as well.
[04:15] Him and I are pretty much best
friends and we both see things pretty much the same
[04:16] and I have a few others one who
hasn’t even signed up in tdzk yet because of phone
[04:16] xxanndyr, malikite, rowdy in tdzk
[04:17] malikite has been an everquest gm for
awhile, so he’s a good addition
[04:17] She is into the game cause she
watched myself and dwelgar play so much
[04:17] maybe even my Dad
[04:18] moon dragon as well… he’s utterly
addicted to tdzk now
[04:18] I think that when the break with HF
comes this summer, I could persuade Bakito & DLB to
join us. Perhaps even DF
[04:18] he’s an everquester and NWN and
many others aswell
[04:18] so that’s about a dozen to start,
[04:18] I will probably be on at least
cable by then hopefully higher
[04:18] that’s a pretty good start for a clan,
[04:19] Love my cable… *snuggles cable modem
[04:19] we is setting up a network and
hopefully an ISP
[04:19] If this garbage hadn’t happened,
Moon Dragon would have been the one I’d have asked
first to join HF multi-game clan
[04:19] true… once he got the hang of the
game… he started climbing fast
[04:19] Yes, come the next round of TDZK, we
could concentrate on a system and on a specific planet
[04:20] will the systems stay the same, or do
[04:20] we need to do it within the first
[04:20] Stay the same & add new systems too
[04:20] some things do change sgili
[04:20] yes… that’s the best time… if we
can get it built up fast enough
[04:20] yeah like that
[04:20] first few days actually
[04:21] I was with Kaos last round
[04:21] We just got started late this round…
[04:21] why are you setting up an ISP? what
kind of ISP?
[04:21] but there is still hope
[04:21] I never joined an alliance last
round… almost didn’t join one this round.
[04:21] ISP=$$$$$ for me
[04:21] and I am hoping to provide cable
[04:22] ah… cable good
[04:22] In which part of the country?
[04:22] so I need T3 or higher
[04:22] washington state
[04:22] too far for me… 🙁
[04:22] I have an area that is ready for
the cable the provider just hasn’t started it yet
[04:23] cable laid- no service
[04:23] I set up service I win
[04:23] I’ll even go as low as $20 a month
to keep ppl
[04:24] btw, crector… Lene should be pulling
up in the ranks now…
[04:24] hell, that’s cheaper than my cable…
[04:24] she also is a good one to pull from
[04:24] She didn’t know how to upgrade her
[04:24] so I helped 🙂
[04:24] I know if I go lower then I will