KOG Founding: Lonesome Bar Conversation

Some time ago, The Nexus presented the charter and other items relating to the now defunct online gaming group Knights of the Galaxy or KOG that for a time held sway in TDZK and was poised for a while to make inroads into Space Merchant Realms and perhaps some other games.

Here is the March 27th, 2003 Lonesome Bar Conversation where the founding concepts of the KOG were discussed:

Session Start: Thu Mar 27 03:38:38 2003
Session Ident: #the_lonesome_bar
[03:38] * Now talking in #the_lonesome_bar
[03:38] ‘sup?
[03:38] Is Chaortis coming?
[03:39] just sent the link… had a burp on my
connection that dropped irc
[03:39] * Chaortis has joined #the_lonesome_bar
ok, cool… the gang’s all here
[03:39] hello
[03:39] ok, so what are we looking at so far?
[03:40] this is a little lonesome don’t you
[03:40] lol
[03:40] A blank page mostly Sgili
[03:40] alright, now… I mean with the new
[03:40] Hi Crector
well it needs to be maturity based
as I think we all agree on that
[03:41] definitely… but how do we go about
setting that up?
[03:41] based around what HF is supposed to
be based on
I believe IRC screenings are
[03:41] true… so we can use the base idea of
the HF charter, and fish around for new recruits
[03:42] they will help us to accertain what
kind of ppl we are looking at
[03:42] yes… you can really tell maturity
level by how many fish you get hit with.
[03:42] uh…….yeah fish uhm I just
slapped hype with one in the main room
[03:42] lol… see what I mean?
[03:42] he he
[03:43] ok, so maturity is important, as well
as willingness to play, imo
[03:43] so what does Chuck have to say,
that for one has gotten my curriosity up
I’d like his input to
[03:43] we can’t have slackers who just join
and fart around.
well… what do you say, crector?
[03:43] I believe activity is one of the
main concerns we have as well
[03:44] I’d say do away with recruitment
periods, but stress maturity and strict adherence to
the rules and honorable behavior
[03:44] I agree with that
[03:44] ok… but how do we ascertain maturity
without at least a short recruitment?
[03:44] HYp went through a recruitment
period too
[03:44] no cheating no multiplaying no
[03:44] maybe just an irc chat to “get to know
yup… the three big rules
[03:45] Well, we try to stress it to them.
[03:45] true… especially when leading by
[03:45] I believe that if you talk to
someone long enough online you do kinda get to know
[03:45] Chaortis: Have you heard about Hyp
attacking/destroying my planet?
[03:45] VERY true…
[03:45] yes I did hear about that
[03:46] yes that/s true
[03:46] Yeah… I do NOT agree with that.
traitors should be expunged from the
[03:46] unfortunatly I did hand over
contorl of HFr to him
amen on the traitor thing
[03:46] Were you told to?
that is told to giver Hyp the clan
[03:47] not really but I felt he knew more
about the game then others in the clan
at the time
[03:47] since then he has been using us to
build up the planet, while he attacks everything in
[03:48] and I was just told to set the
thing up not lead it
[03:48] anyway… back on the subject… how
should we deal with people like that?
[03:48] * Retrieving #the_lonesome_bar info…
[03:49] We try to work with them first. If
they don’t shape up, we kick them out,
[03:49] traitors I feel should be expunged
and the reasoning for that is if they will do it once
they will do it again
[03:49] I mean, personally, I would eject them
and put them on the hit list
[03:49] MHO
[03:49] ok…I thught that you meant
non-team players
[03:49] although I am in favor of a “three
strikes” program
[03:49] zero tolerance for traitors
[03:49] aside from traitors, of course…
[03:50] non-team players can be taught, if
not they do without bennies for a while and that
should put them back in line
[03:50] you had mentioned having some web
space for a forum, chaortis?
we could also do an easyboard forum…
[03:50] yeah I have a bit of space free
10 different spaces I should say
[03:51] I think we should start as a tdzk-only
clan, then add other games as we move forward.
[03:51] that would probably be the way to
do it start small then expand
[03:51] Yes
[03:51] that would allow us to start small,
and work our way up.
[03:51] ok who is ghent12?
[03:51] eventually we could challenge HF on
even footing.
he’s the space-holder for this room
[03:51] oh ok
[03:52] Only add another game when we have
25+ members or somethig
[03:52] good idea
[03:52] Ghent12 is a wild and crazy guy
[03:52] yes… enough to fill an alliance in
lol… what makes you say that?
[03:52] I was in ITC with him last round
[03:52] ah, ok
[03:52] Err…
[03:52] when we fill one in tdzk I think we
should branch another as well
[03:52] so he is here… lol
[03:53] He’s posted more to the TDZK Forum
than just about anyone else
[03:53] true… start with one, fill it up,
and then move forward from there.
[03:53] he he
[03:53] Yes.
[03:53] I could work up a kind of “rules
charter” for the clan, if you want, crector…
[03:53] Yes
[03:53] I mean we do need to give ourselves
room for growth
send me a copy of that Sgili
[03:54] That they would have to agree to
first. such as no cheating
[03:54] * Ghent12 has quit IRC (Quit: I know TD’s
dirty little secret…)
[03:54] ok… I’ll start working on it
tomorrow… I have tomorrow off.
[03:54] great.
[03:54] cool
[03:54] no cheating being the biggest rule…
well, that and no traitors.
[03:54] I have to work tomorrow afternoon
[03:55] ok… I’ll forward a draft of that to
both of you once I get it finished.
[03:55] Also I believe that to officialy be
an alliance or clan don’t you need a name?
[03:55] well, of course… any ideas?
[03:55] hmmm.
[03:55] We should also decide if it s to be
a good or bad oriented clan
[03:55] true?
[03:55] true… although we could do both…
[03:56] mature yet violent?
[03:56] that is oriented towards piracy or
[03:56] just stick to either or for each game.
I favor piracy myself… hehe
[03:56] honorable, but we will still stab
you in the back
[03:56] Also, what kind of games to play?
[03:56] honor among thieves
[03:56] HF was in mainly space games.
[03:56] BBGs for one I also am going to be
on eve when it comes out
[03:57] well, I’m in favor of as many games as
we can.
[03:57] fantasy is good to
[03:57] not just space, but medieval as well
[03:57] Yes
[03:57] how bout modern stuff
[03:57] of course, most of the bbgs out there
are space-oriented.
modern is good, too.
[03:57] what about Gmuds
[03:58] I could also set up a MUD, if we can
get server space for that.
[03:58] Two towers you know stuff like that
now that would be cool’
[03:58] I don’t kknow much about MUD’s
[03:58] It’s been a while, but I did a
fantasy-based mud on a bbs back in ’92
[03:58] but I’d like to know what
allignment do you think chuck?
[03:58] They are pretty self-sufficient, if
set up correctly.
[03:58] pre-web, the games I played were
like Trade Wars 2002
TW 2002 is still around
[03:59] and bnt is based on trade wars
[03:59] yes
[03:59] Damn crector you remember pre web
[03:59] too buggy right now, though.
[03:59] God you must be old
[03:59] so do I, chaortis…
[04:00] I dfon’t meet many other ppl that
remember the bbs days
[04:00] I used to play L.O.R.D
[04:00] If a member knew any game
programming, then we could rework BNT
I’m 38
[04:00] I was on the Highlander mud
well I’m almost to my 30’s
[04:00] I’m studying php right now, but I
don’t know it well enough… yet.
[04:01] I think I might just start studying
that too
need more knowledge
[04:01] there’s an excellent lotr mud out
there… i’ll have to find it again.
[04:01] more input please
that’d be kick man lotr
[04:01] I still say start with tdzk and branch
out from there.
[04:01] oh it’s called 2 towers I have that
[04:02] nope… think older
[04:02] older than towers
[04:02] yup
[04:02] that one has been up since b4 web
[04:02] That’s my idea….TDZK first
[04:02] tdzk first myself
I think SE 2nd
[04:03] yeah… se 2nd
[04:03] SE’s very hard to recruit in
[04:03] true
[04:03] still… do we go piracy/raiding or
good guys?
[04:03] Games with players online lists and
id’d if they are in a clan are the ones we should
focus on
[04:03] we could always drag prople over from
tdzk for se…
[04:03] but if we get our guys from tdzk
[04:04] I was in a good guy alliance in SM
NG #8 called Law & Order….that was lots of fun
fighting the forces of evil
ITC last round was a lot like that
[04:04] that could be cool…
[04:04] SE is a little more complicated but
it’s still fun
[04:04] I could go for a “good guys” alliance
[04:04] I think raiding but we will need to
get a planet quick
[04:05] I’d prefer also to avoid games that
HF is in as much as possible
[04:05] or good gutys
[04:05] Also, if we are interested in running
our own games… check out www.sourceforge.net
[04:05] except TDZK
[04:05] yes
[04:05] keep the conflict to a minium there
[04:05] yes
[04:05] hey wow that is a cool sight must
look more into it
so we go good guy’s then
[04:06] yes… they’ve got a TON of
open-source games and stuff.
yup… good guys.
[04:06] I saw that
[04:06] Websites are mainly for advertising
for recruits.
[04:06] I’ve got 30-40 links in my yahoo inbox
with open-source stuff on them
[04:07] sweet
[04:07] true… and we can get a website
easily enough.
[04:07] great
[04:07] I got website just tell me what to
name it and I’ll get working on it
[04:07] “Guardians of the Void”?
[04:07] oh yeah frames or no frames
[04:07] sry… meant that for the alliance
frames… got to have that navigation
[04:08] hmm has a ring to it
howbout Iframes
[04:08] Back in the 1950’s there was a comic
book group called the Galaxy Knights
[04:08] That could work, too.
[04:09] frames? I don’t know much about
webmastering and stuff
[04:09] well that would fit our space
faring groups
[04:09] yes
[04:09] you click in one frame it comes up
in the other
[04:09] we could always change the name a
little for medeival games.
[04:09] true
[04:09] or something like Knights of
Honor….stress the good guy part and honesty too
or the Untouchables from the TV show
[04:10] true… we definitely want to stress
[04:10] Galaxy Knights of Valour
[04:10] decent
[04:10] sweet… I like it
[04:10] problems is that we’d want the same
name in every game
[04:10] hmm. has a ring
[04:10] yes it does
[04:11] or “Frontier Knights”
[04:11] could have somewhat different names
in the games
[04:11] paladin realms
Paladin Realms
[04:11] Shanghai Knights…
[04:11] that sounds a lot like a clan that
I’ve heard of
[04:11] sorry Sgili that was a movie
[04:11] a movie too… lol
good movie
[04:12] haven’t seen it yet
[04:12] we’d want a really unique
name…..that’s how House Forsaken was
[04:12] well worth it
yes… unique is good…
[04:12] Knights of the Portals
[04:12] how about we brainstorm on our own for
that, then email each other with suggestions?
[04:12] yes.
[04:13] That way we’ll have a lot of choices.
[04:13] uhm. I’m now on a fishing
[04:13] ?
[04:13] well I’ll set up a framework for
the pages and we can fill it in later
[04:13] sounds like a good idea
[04:14] works for me
[04:14] once we get that under control
things will work a little better
[04:14] About how likely is it that Dwelgar
will join us down the road?
[04:14] btw… here’s a good site about online
[04:14] If I do he probably will so we are
pretty sure he will
[04:14] great
[04:15] ok, so that’s four trusted members,
I can probably bring my guys from work
on as well.
[04:15] Him and I are pretty much best
friends and we both see things pretty much the same
and I have a few others one who
hasn’t even signed up in tdzk yet because of phone
[04:16] xxanndyr, malikite, rowdy in tdzk
[04:16] cool
[04:17] malikite has been an everquest gm for
awhile, so he’s a good addition
[04:17] She is into the game cause she
watched myself and dwelgar play so much
maybe even my Dad
[04:18] moon dragon as well… he’s utterly
addicted to tdzk now
[04:18] I think that when the break with HF
comes this summer, I could persuade Bakito & DLB to
join us. Perhaps even DF
[04:18] he’s an everquester and NWN and
many others aswell
[04:18] so that’s about a dozen to start,
[04:18] I will probably be on at least
cable by then hopefully higher
[04:18] that’s a pretty good start for a clan,
I think
Love my cable… *snuggles cable modem
[04:19] we is setting up a network and
hopefully an ISP
[04:19] If this garbage hadn’t happened,
Moon Dragon would have been the one I’d have asked
first to join HF multi-game clan
[04:19] damn
[04:19] true… once he got the hang of the
game… he started climbing fast
[04:19] Yes, come the next round of TDZK, we
could concentrate on a system and on a specific planet
to take
[04:20] will the systems stay the same, or do
they change?
[04:20] we need to do it within the first
week too
[04:20] Stay the same & add new systems too
[04:20] some things do change sgili
[04:20] yes… that’s the best time… if we
can get it built up fast enough
[04:20] yeah like that
[04:20] first few days actually
[04:20] yep
I was with Kaos last round
[04:21] We just got started late this round…
too late
[04:21] yep
[04:21] why are you setting up an ISP? what
kind of ISP?
[04:21] but there is still hope
[04:21] I never joined an alliance last
round… almost didn’t join one this round.
[04:21] ISP=$$$$$ for me
[04:21] lol
[04:21] and I am hoping to provide cable
[04:21] dialup?
ah… cable good
[04:22] In which part of the country?
[04:22] so I need T3 or higher
washington state
[04:22] too far for me… 🙁
[04:22] I have an area that is ready for
the cable the provider just hasn’t started it yet
cable laid- no service
I set up service I win
I’ll even go as low as $20 a month
to keep ppl
[04:24] btw, crector… Lene should be pulling
up in the ranks now…
hell, that’s cheaper than my cable…
[04:24] she also is a good one to pull from
[04:24] She didn’t know how to upgrade her
so I helped 🙂
[04:24] I know if I go lower then I will
expand and the other companies will lose out
Lene is a personal friend of
[04:25] great
Take it that grecko finally got a
clue and shut up?
[04:26] he joined another alliance… so he
isn’t asking for our pw anymore
however, he is still using our
personal image file…

[04:27] what’s up with that
[04:27] check the link…
if you’re logged into tdzk, that is…
[04:27] he’s a liar and an idiot
[04:27] yes.
[04:28] still won’t let me
[04:28] wierd
well, look him up the next time you’re
in a station
[04:28] will do
his account is older than mine
[04:29] he’s almost certainly a spy
[04:29] no kidding
[04:29] yeah… and he has 12 deaths… lol
[04:29] I am 2733 and he is 2364 and just
asking for an alliance no he’s a spy
I wonder why alliance jumper
[04:30] I’m 617 *sticks out tongue
[04:30] I kicked him out
[04:30] cool
[04:30] and The Beast guy as well
[04:30] and next round I’ll be 1
[04:30] out of HF2… I never noticed he was
yeah… the beast was definitely a spy
[04:31] They were asking too many questions
that they shuld’n have ahd any interest in
[04:31] we figured that one out quick
[04:31] Turns out that Coolbeans wasn’t a
spy, right?
[04:31] oddly enough… I can’;t find the
beast in the player database
[04:31] like I said we use IRC for
screening and icq or something for raids
[04:31] nope… he just hadn’t logged in for
[04:31] no beans wasn’t
[04:32] I gave him th ehF2 password in SMR
[04:32] cool
[04:32] we could probably set up a private
chatroom on the forum website for raids… that
shouldn’t be too hard
[04:32] when I said at least 25 members, I
meant 25 who had registteered at the website
[04:32] wich one is that
[04:32] Space Merchant Realms
[04:32] have to check that out now too
[04:32] http://www.smrealms.de
[04:33] ooh looks like fun
[04:33] smr added to favorites list… hehe
[04:33] On that clans page it talks about
social clans
I’d say that HF is headed in that
[04:34] yup… they don’t do much except bitch
amongst themselves…
[04:34] true
[04:34] Too many HF higher-ups like that
Aeon guy hardly play games anymore
[04:34] I’m here for the games, personally.
[04:34] Yes
[04:34] me too
[04:35] I just don’t see the point of posting
on forums about things you don’t even do
[04:35] 1 good thing about the HF structure
is that it had different realms or focus groups for
different games.
[04:36] yes… I think we should incorporate
that as we branch out into other games
[04:36] me too
[04:36] And also the Alternative Gaming
[04:36] true
[04:36] It is actually pretty simple to set up
a forum like the one they have at HF
[04:37] even with all the bells and
[04:38] http://ezboard.com/
they have it set up for you… you
just have to put up with banner ads unless you have a
gold account
[04:39] hmmm that might work or I might
just figure out the code for myself
[04:39] it’d be a little more difficult and
time-consuming to do it yourself
[04:39] http://www.phpbb.com/
[04:40] I know but I have time
[04:40] That’s what HF & OMGN use
For some reason or aniter, EZBoard
looks cheap or something
[04:40] dammit, comstar went down again…
I was going to show you a completed
ezboards setup… but it’s inaccessible at the moment
[04:41] * Chaortis has quit IRC (Read error:
Connection reset by peer)
oops… bye, chaortis…
[04:42] * Chaortis has joined #the_lonesome_bar
[04:42] well, we’ve got a pretty good idea of
what we want so far, I think
[04:42] there’s omne

[04:42] hello, chaortis… hehe
[04:42] stupid mirc froze up
[04:42] use xchat like I use
[04:43] when it comes back up, go to
www.necromancergames.com and check out their forums…
they use ezboard as well, and that looks pretty good.
ummm… that took me to a porn site…
[04:43] cool got those
[04:44] lol
[04:44] uhm good job Sgili
what have we been looking up in our
spare time?
hmm hmmm
[04:44] dammit… I just typed in the bloody
that looks much better than most of
the EZBoards that I;ve seen
[04:45] hmmm… that looks different from the
last time I was there…
Yeah… they’ve got some good guys
working on the layout there.
Plus, they have a business account.
no ads… 🙂
[04:46] There are a lot of free message
boards around. we can take our time in chooseing the
best one
[04:46] yeah, there are a lot of options.
[04:46] no need to hurry
[04:47] we’ve got a few months yet… and we
probably won’t need a board until we really get
started up.
check it ouot
[04:47] ok, so now we’ve got a decent plan and
a few ideas as well
sweet… there’s a lot of board
choices there.
I’ve also got a friend out here who
may be getting some server space as well.
[04:49] Free Center has lots of other free
stuff to choose from too,
[04:50] cool
[04:50] Ok I’ll look through all these
pages and through some other stuff
[04:50] I’ll get started on that charter
tomorrow, and I’ll also work on feeling out some of
the mentioned members of HF2 as well. That should net
us some good recruits.
[04:50] We are all agreed though…..New
Clan is good to go right
[04:51] agreed
[04:51] what I mean by that is we all think
it a good Idea
[04:51] yes
[04:51] yes
[04:51] and are all willing to participate
in getting it going?
[04:51] yes
[04:51] I nominate crector as supreme leader
[04:51] I second
[04:52] and chaortis as webmaster
[04:52] thank you
[04:52] and Sgili as recruitment
[04:52] sweet… now we all have our ranks.
[04:52] something or other
[04:52] lol… I’ll be the drill sergeant…
[04:52] He he
[04:52] well, recruiter means going through
the players list and msg’mg the non-a;ligned players.
[04:53] Now, for tdzk, what will our
requirements be for alliance members?
level-wise, I mean.
[04:53] yeah and Sgili seems to be good at
[04:53] lol
[04:53] well, we caould all recruit some
too. Sgili could be the recruit manager
[04:53] true
[04:53] that works… I can’t see everyone on
the server, you know… hehe
I can help with the website stuff,
[04:54] We can all work together as a team
[04:54] best way of doing it
[04:54] no requirements lvl wise.m just
because someone has a slow start doesn’t mean that
they can’t bbecome good players
[04:54] truest statement of all crector
[04:54] team way is the best way
[04:55] ok, good… after all, I was pretty
low when you recruited me…
[04:55] same here
[04:55] We should come up with an activity
requirement, too…
keep out the loafers
[04:55] Funny thing is I excepted his
recruitment over someone giving me money he he
[04:55] same here
[04:56] yes, I’m going to drop Black Avenger
in minute for inactivity
[04:56] It was the recruitment pitch that sold
[04:56] yep
of course next game sgili I will
keep up with you in lvls
[04:57] maybe not
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House Forsaken 2Black Avenger
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[04:57] I’ve been thinking about messaging the
lower-level members and offering advice and help…
kind of get them moving up in terms of XP
[04:57] problem is that he doesn’t seem to
be moving up any
yes… go for it
[04:57] I noticed that a lot of newbies
quit when they get podded the first time
[04:58] too true… they’ve got to stick with
[04:58] In SMR, a lot of newbies try port
raiding, get podded, then quit the game
[04:58] so what we should look for in a
recruit is at least one pod and still playing
[04:58] yes
[04:58] that in itself shows a little
[04:58] well, those who haven’t been podded
are also good… if they’ve managed to gain a few
levels at least.
[04:59] hell man Ive only been podded twice
[04:59] After all, I didn’t get podded this
round until I was 20th level
[04:59] first time at our first raid
so I am one to talk
[04:59] first time after the reset… he was
waiting for me… I think I pissed him off…
[04:59] he he
I bet
2nd time last raid
hmm we raid I get podded we don’t I
[05:00] We need more preperation and more
participation in our raids.
[05:00] “Sworn to Valour”
[05:01] lack of people is what killed us both
[05:01] true
that and lack of armor
[05:01] three more counter-hunters and we
would’ve owned those phoenix bastards
[05:01] What would we do for IRC?
[05:01] well, it must not be too hard to get
an irc room on tdzk
[05:01] yes
[05:01] ICQ, Yahoo AIM
[05:02] that too
[05:02] Yahoo let’s you voice
[05:02] we can get a chatroom attached to the
website as well
[05:02] and that would help us a lot
that’s an easy setup Sgili
[05:02] yup… easy to password protect as
[05:02] brb coffe
[05:02] can you get one fore free?
[05:02] k
[05:02] coffee
I might be able too since I know
html I can password them too
[05:03] probably… although between me and
chaortis, we could probably build one as well
[05:03] true
[05:03] http://chatroomweb.com/
[05:04] back
there’s three to look at
[05:05] got em
[05:05] most of those allow password rooms as
well, I think
[05:05] cool
what we should do is set up a main
page with links to our otherstuff
[05:05] yes
[05:05] true
[05:05] that would make it easier for
everyone involved
So tonight early tommorrow I will
set up a roughdraft of a main page and let you guys
look at it
[05:06] cool
[05:06] send you the links then
Hey chuck is your ICQ posted in the
in game forum
[05:07] ok… I know some html and dhtml as
well, so I could probably help with some of that
[05:07] cool cool
[05:07] I think so
[05:08] I can do any chat program you guys
[05:08] gotcha
Once I get my bus. up and running
none of this will be a problem
[05:10] sweet
[05:10] OMGN has free email from ZZN now.
Accordking to DF, its very easy to set up.
[05:10] cool
[05:11] We could do that.
[05:11] I’ve got a zzn address somewhere
[05:11] 22 years of computer exp and you’d
think I would already have something going, but no
[05:11] Also, you could check this out:
see if that could work for us
Irony is that I was going to see if
we couldn’t something like that for the HF/TDZK page I
[05:12] now that looks cool
[05:12] nice splash page
[05:12] Not a webmaster myself, so I
couldn;t tell for sure if it was a good idea or not
[05:13] hmm signing up just to check it out
let’s see except agrements without
reading them next
Hey what desired subdomain name do
we want
[05:14] When we make the break from HF, we
could exchange riciprocla links with OMGN to up our
[05:14] cool
[05:14] when we dceide on a name, then we’d
know the subdomaim=n, I would guess
[05:15] true… probly should get the name
[05:15] We could use “knights” in whatever
name we’d use Galaxy Knights, Pirate Knights
[05:16] true… try for knights
[05:16] Knights of Honor, Knights of Death
[05:16] yeah definatly Knights?
[05:16] Knights in the name
[05:16] yep
[05:16] somethign knights, of knights of
The Honorable Order of the Templar
Knights of Solomon’s Seal
[05:17] yes
[05:17] lol
[05:17] too long
[05:17] I know 😉
[05:17] uhm a little long dontcha think
[05:17] but it is amusing…
[05:18] ok I’ll do that later
[05:18] we could abbreviate it HOTKSS
[05:18] lol
[05:18] that could be taken the wrong way…
[05:18] I like knights of Honor
[05:18] me too
it’s simple, and it states the purpose
[05:18] exactly
Tell everyone exactly what we are
[05:19] unless they think we’re lying…
[05:19] until we raid their planet
oh wait
[05:19] Hey… they didn’t defend it well
[05:20] If they call us liars then we raid
if they don’t then we raid
[05:20] after all, they’re impinging our honor
or something like that.
[05:20] Knights of Humor? hmmmm
[05:20] If we were the designated good guys,
we wouldnt’ raid planets or ports, just go after the
bad guyys
[05:21] hey sounds good to me
[05:21] Knights of the Galaxy for TDZK
[05:21] well, we could raid planets and ports
with negative alignment.
[05:21] less hunters if we kill them off
[05:21] yeah… I like galaxy for tdzk
[05:21] me to
[05:21] works for me
[05:21] he he
me too
[05:21] ok, no more rhyming…
[05:21] so is that it then
[05:21] Then in another game, it would be
knights of the era or whatever
[05:22] yup… though we can cross that bridge
when we come to it
[05:22] how many fantasy games are
[05:22] I’m not sure… I haven’t played many
There aren’t a lot to choose from.
[05:22] perfect so then in the forum it
would be Knights of whatever Realm
I know a couple that are
[05:23] Although… We could build one, eh,
[05:23] just about all the ones that I know
of such as Utopia & Dominion randomly assign you to
provinces in artificial clans called kingdomw
[05:23] yeah
[05:23] we coul
[05:23] Knights of the specific realm?
[05:23] You would have to take all credit for
that, though, chaortis
[05:23] the word realm works with knights
really well
[05:23] yeah, just Knights of the Realm
[05:24] for setting up our own no we would
all have too
[05:24] you mean in the forum?
[05:24] How bout in the forum “Knights of
the Realms”
[05:25] I think he meant our own game…
although that’s further in the future.
[05:25] No.
[05:25] I can’t actually publish anything
tech-related because of my current job… so I have to
be careful what I put my name on.
[05:25] I’ve already got a numbers system
set up for a mmpog
[05:25] Realm as the name of the focus
groups as with HF
waht’s that?
[05:25] ah… I see what you mean.
[05:26] masivly multi player online game
[05:26] ok
[05:26] yeah that
[05:26] lol
I think we’ve got a lot of good ideas
[05:26] Knights used as the basic name in
every game
[05:26] called it the Chaos realms
be cool for a table top too
actualy origanally set upo for
table top but easily converts
[05:27] yes, we’ve covered a lot of
territory….should the realms have their own websites
as with HF?
[05:28] we should probably just start with
each realm as a subset of the main forum
maybe expand from there
[05:28] I kinda combined D&D with a bunch
of other stuff and came up with my own stat system
[05:28] yes
[05:28] true sgili start it out small
that is the only way to see if it
can work larger
[05:28] maybe adopt something similar to the
outpost set
[05:28] yep
[05:29] once a game has enough adherents, and
some volunteers, then they get their own site
[05:29] and we can advertise like chuck
said fro omgm
and places like that
[05:29] yes… that will get some people in
[05:30] that is when we will start to grow
[05:30] and in search engines
[05:30] yep
[05:30] isubmit.com
[05:30] yes
[05:30] good thing I got somebody buying my
comp set up
[05:30] once we get some good traffic, we’ll
be ready to challenge HF
[05:30] yep
Hell they won’t know what hit
them…….or who
[05:31] lol… that’s the idea.
[05:31] brb
[05:31] It’ll be like Forsaken Union all
over again.
[05:31] forsaken union?
[05:32] http://www.forsaken-union.com
[05:32] damn… nice site
[05:32] back about 1 or 2 years ago, the
original Everquest & Shadowbane realms split off from
[05:33] ah… I’d never heard about that
I like the spiky rotating @ symbol
[05:33] HF didnt; really support those games
and the realm leaders got fed up with the HF
leadership, so they plotted ktheir defention….even
goth the website set up and everything before
splitting off.
Just like we’re doing
[05:34] hehe… history repeats, right?
[05:34] yes
[05:35] WoW is another game I want to play…
[05:35] Did you notice that the HF
founder-leader blowhard UsuRpeR noted that HF started
out hacking and chating in Diableo, but that had no
relevance to HF today?
[05:35] yeah, I noticed that
previous indiscretion always comes
back and bites you in the ass
[05:36] That came as a real surprise. Never
would have guessed it
but with all what’s happened lately,
it kind of fits a pattern
[05:36] Me either… especially seeing as how
HF was supposed to be all anti-cheating.
I hate to see a long-runnig clan like
HF go dow the way it has…
but it can’t keep going the way it
[05:38] Its dying or become a social clan.
Rotten to the core
[05:38] ok I’m back
[05:39] http://www.forsaken-union.com
model for a website?
[05:39] I hate that too sgili
[05:39] if you can do that website, chaortis,
you ARE the man!!!
[05:39] hate what??
[05:39] seeing HF go down
[05:40] yes
[05:40] dude I can do that and put frames
in it
[05:40] sweet… you da man, C
[05:40] I know of folks who were kicked out
of HF for saying the wornf thing on IRC
[05:40] yeah back when I was the shiznit on
bnet I heard of house forsaken but back then I had my
own clan
[05:40] now anything goes
[05:41] yeah… they’ve been flinging some mud
aruond back there
You know, this is actually the first
clan I’ve been in…
We’re going to do ours right.
[05:41] Yeah it isn’t really what I was
looking for
[05:42] I wasn’t really in a clan until the
Trex Mercenaries in December, 1999
[05:42] I mean some of it is all in good
fun but a lot of it has ppls tensions going
[05:42] was in teams in games like TW 2002,
but that;s not the same sort of thing
[05:42] I started the Dragon Knights back
in 98
[05:43] yeah, I’ve been in teams before, but
never a multi-game thing. I really like the idea… we
just need to get the implementation right.
[05:43] I think I still have a page on that
Charter…the clan referred to is HF
[05:43] well so far we have 4 ppl willing
to work on it and we are spread out over the nation
[05:44] I thinkthat we should spell out how
our clan came to be and stuff
[05:44] yes… we need a chronicler.
[05:44] That would be good
[05:45] I can start a backstory log.
[05:45] cool
[05:45] Make it clear from the get go that
ghis is not going to be a HF type of clan that PR’s
about honor and sutcc, but really sanctions all kinds
of horseplay
[05:45] hell sgili you and youre logs
[05:45] I log everything, man
[05:45] I cou;d write up the chronology and
[05:45] I know
I do to though so
[05:45] cool… we can share logs and work on
the backstory together
[05:46] cool I’ll need that
that way we can put that right up
[05:46] btw… if you want to email me… use
that’s the one I get the least spam in
[05:46] I probably would have anyway Sgili
I understand the spam thing
[05:47] lol… can’t get away from it…
[05:47] Most of my spam comes in through the
@clan-forsaken.com forwarding address
[05:47] Ah 1974 the year that children born
were still children
[05:47] you should try explaining to an
80-year-old woman why she’s getting porn in her email
[05:47] ……..not goats
no thanx
[05:48] I have to do that at least once a
day… 🙁
[05:49] Damn Sgili what kinda ISP you work
[05:49] Bellsouth
It doesn’t matter, though
[05:49] I know but no spam filters eww
[05:49] we have spam filters, they just suck
almost as bad as our email servers
[05:50] oh that’s why I stick with my Yahoo
[05:50] never go bellsouth, if you’re ever in
the southeast
[05:50] If I tell them it’s spam I don’t
get it anymore
[05:50] our email servers went down more than
10 times last week
[05:50] ouch
not even AT&T is that bad
or even AOHell
[05:50] yup… the customers are starting to
realize it’s not “maintenance” anymore
[05:51] They need me to set up their
[05:51] anyway… back to the subject… hehe
[05:52] So we need to set up Chronology, a
site, rules, honor code
[05:52] so we’ve got mee logging/chronicling
and recruiting
and setting up the charter
[05:52] need to recruit
[05:52] chaortis is in charge of website
[05:53] I think lot’s of pics are good too
in game type
[05:53] anything we’re missing here, crector?
You’ve done this more than we have.
pics are good.
[05:53] The games we play in should be
picked by basis of easy recruitability, unless its
open source
[05:53] pages dealing with help issues for
our games
[05:53] I’m no artist, though
[05:53] TDZK makes recruiting very easy
[05:53] pic’s are easy to find
[05:53] very much so
[05:53] yes
[05:54] TDZK recruiting is really easy
[05:54] I’ve never taken part in setting up
a clan before,
[05:54] web board and in game
[05:54] but was in the leadership in TM & HF
[05:54] that’s what I meant
[05:54] hey that’s all it takes
[05:55] You’ve got the leadership experience
[05:55] leadership know how and ppl to help
set it up
[05:55] I think that we’re on a really good
trrack now
[05:55] I second that
[05:55] i third that
[05:55] Things are moving better than I
[05:55] good rate
[05:56] same here… I wasn’t sure what to
expect, but I didn’t expect this many good ideas
[05:56] I think we may have enough of a
headstart to hit TDZK hard next round
[05:56] this many good ideas this soon in
the morning
[05:56] Since some of tdzk will stay the same,
we should start thinking about where to set up base
next round.
[05:56] oh wow 10 til 3 here
[05:57] almost 6:00 here
[05:57] Yes…oddly enough the ITC planet
was in Elanna too.
[05:57] ITC?
[05:57] Focus on Elanna next round perhaps
[05:57] we should probably lok around the
systems they have now to map them out
[05:57] Interstellar Trade Consortium
[05:58] I would like to get something close to
Manchari next round
[05:58] good guy outfit that targetted port
raiders and mass killers
[05:58] cool
[05:58] That’s always a high traffic system
[05:58] see that is what we should do
[05:58] Elanna is kind of off the beaten
[05:58] target port raiders and mass
[05:59] set up home base where there isn;t
muchhh competition
[05:59] Manchari has the best weapons, though
[05:59] teaneria
good trade area
how bout rhea?
[05:59] well, the home base should be in an
area not too many other clans want…,akes it easier.
[05:59] DathKara?
[06:00] Too many clans over theyears have
screwed themselves up going for the great real estate
too soon.
1st round as a clan go for Elannna
[06:00] good idea
[06:00] ok… close to taenaria, good
resourcing area
[06:00] 2nd round as a better orgaiized and
larger clan go for Manchari or Nexus
[06:00] although I was looking at Imrasael…
[06:01] I for one will look around
have a lot of turns right now
[06:01] It’s only 3 systems away from
manchari, and it’s at the end of an arm
why waste turns? just use the maps…
[06:01] hmm off the beaten path
how big is it
[06:01] SK’s starte out with only 4 members,
but gt 2 planets due to teamwork and coordination
[06:02] use the turns to scout out how
hostile it is Sgili
[06:02] 400 sectors with six planets in-system
[06:02] hmm possibilities
[06:02] base alignment is +100
[06:02] good base
[06:02] If we targetted the same system or
neighboring systems, then we should be able to get a
planet or 2.
[06:03] almost anyone can dock there
[06:03] easy enough for most people to dock
yeah… I want all six planets
there… hehe
[06:03] 2 planets spounds good
[06:03] But other clans would be targetting
it for the same reason.
[06:03] anyways what are Mal’s ideas on
allying with us
[06:03] good question
[06:03] for next round? haven’t asked him
[06:03] if anyone knows
hmm have to bring that up to him
[06:04] we should probably wait until late
this round to pop that question
[06:04] same thoughts here
towards the end of this round I say
we drift off but for now stay close in
that way we also get a feel for HF
[06:05] true
[06:05] and what thet are planning for next
It’s always good to know
[06:06] definitely
[06:06] yes
[06:06] I live by the statement “knowledge
is power”
[06:06] I can ask him because he already
knows that I’m starting a new alliance next round
[06:06] hmmm does that mean that supreme
knowledge is supreme power
[06:06] ok, cool
[06:07] good good
[06:07] possibly
[06:07] more allies we have the better
[06:07] yes
[06:07] I was also looking at Sarenn system…
five planets, base 200 alignment
[06:07] We shuld also go for a
recruit/training alliance
[06:07] well off the beaten path
[06:07] what # is that system
[06:07] 36xxx
[06:07] yes training
[06:08] should we go with two alliances at the
[06:08] when done with that they move up
into the main
[06:08] 25 registered and presumably active
members is the trigger for checking out a new game.
[06:08] 36 is a good sector
[06:08] so up to a specific level, then into
the main alliance?
lots of resourcing there
[06:08] I was thinking so
[06:09] depends on how the members of the
main alliance do.
[06:09] also tells us the character of said
[06:09] 35xxx is good, as well
[06:09] at the start, would need all members
in the same alliance,,,,r/t alliance would come after
the main alliance is close to full.
[06:09] good ideas
[06:10] ok… that works… so one of us
leaves the main alliance to start the recruitment?
[06:10] Then we send off one of us to set
up the next one
[06:10] I’m thinking of doig zallun next
[06:10] oops sgili already posted that
[06:10] lol
[06:10] I was thinking derivian
no minuses and a + to speed
[06:11] and we definitely want to pick a
system with lots of resourcing opps
I like my cloaking device, though
[06:11] true planet will grow faster that
you can buy a cloaking device
they just cost a lot
[06:12] that’s why I’m leaning toward 35 and
36 for now… lots of asteroid fields
and they require a -200 minimum for
[06:12] Has any of you been keepiong logs of
this meeting?
[06:12] fuel is good too so do they have a
lot of gas clouds
[06:12] I have
[06:12] I have
[06:12] great
I don’t know how too
[06:13] Mirc is set too do it automatically
[06:13] oth have gas clouds
[06:13] options logging both
[06:13] but he’s not on mirc
[06:13] oh ok
[06:13] xchat
[06:13] no, that xchat thing
[06:14] oh xchat
hey I wonder if cheeta would let me
in hwere
[06:14] dunno
[06:15] I have so many chat things I don’t
even know what to do with them all
[06:15] cheeta?
[06:15] I like the idea of browser-based chat
for the new clan, though… lets more people get in
[06:15] Cheeta chat
[06:15] site?
[06:15] is it free?
[06:15] uhm I dunno dwelgar dl’d it
it’s free
[06:15] lol
[06:15] all my stuff is free
[06:15] me too
[06:15] well most of it
AOHell isn’t
[06:16] aol is a virus
[06:16] * Chaortis smites AOL with the might hand of
Internetus, the god of internet
[06:16] he he
[06:16] anyway, guys… I’m falling asleep in
my chair here
and that’s a feat… I’m sitting in a
wooden chair
[06:17] I’m nodding off too
[06:17] I miss my 3 Mbit cable modem
[06:17] alright… lets go with what we’ve
got, and when should we meet again?
[06:17] I like my computer desk chair
officve chair
well I will be on again to night
and dwell will be on all day
we have each others ICQ
[06:18] true… I’ll be on most of today
(after sleep, of course)
[06:18] as soon as we are done here I will
go set up a temp page
[06:18] I’ll try to figure out a way to create
an irc room as well
[06:19] with *cough cough* geocities
[06:19] lol
[06:19] cool
[06:19] geocities is decent
[06:19] better than angelfire 🙁
[06:19] it’s good if you don’t need
[06:19] true
[06:20] but if you want it pw’d then you
gotta go with someone else
[06:20] I had massive problwms with
Angelfire in 98 when trying to do a website. same
with Tripod
[06:20] Angel fire allows passwords
but I know of a couple others so
[06:20] Forutne City was good until they
messed up the online editor
[06:20] I’ve got an angelfire site, but I
haven’t done anything with it in forever
[06:20] pluss I have 25 megs of space
that I pay for
[06:20] There’s one in canada that gives
unlimited space
[06:21] I forget where it is guess I’ll
have to look through my old e-mail
[06:21] crosswinds.net
[06:21] I’ll cvheck that out Sgili
[06:21] well, now it says 500+mb…
but that’s still a lot
[06:21] I have FrontPage so I don’t need
the on-line editor
[06:21] cool
alright then… I’m going to bed. I’ll
see you guys online later today, right?
[06:22] alrgith
[06:22] l8tr
[06:22] * Disconnected
Session Close: Thu Mar 27 06:22:36 2003